Actually I did give my opinion, and more, your not paying attention Pop tart, so here it is again.



I am 66 years of age and, along with my father and grandfather have watched Trinity play

at Bell Vue throughout the 20th and now 21st centuries.

We have watched the game during the depths of winter with ice, snow, rain, hail, fog (Widnes anyone?) etc.

We have travelled with thousands of others in cars, vans, buses, trains have walked many a time through the above winter conditions to get our rugby league fix at both Belle Vue and a host of other rugby grounds with only a cup of Bovril, a jar of vapour rub or a tot of the hard stuff to keep the harsh winter conditions at bay.



Our generation and those before us have dodged or coped with the common cold, flue, the flu, sore throats, norovirus, achy joints, cold sores, dry and cracking skin, asthma (the wife). Sinus infections, bronchitis, pneumonia, etc all caused or aggravated by those gruelling winter trips to Belle Vue to stand for two to three hours in the above mentioned weather before walking or driving home cold, freezing and completely wet through. And for a few of us that was after playing a game of winter rugby that very morning.



No doubt that over the past 150 years some have succumbed to the experience of trudging to Belle Vue, Odsal, Noughton Park, the Watersheddings and Fartown and have sadly succumbed to whatever ailment they contracted enjoying their rugby. But hey, ho, it happened and no one, as far as I know, coincided closing down these stadiums, not in a 150 years did they consider such draconian action.



So, here we are in the summer of 2020. A virus that 99.7% of people will simply never know they have or even had it. A virus that 100% of people I have asked, most over 65 years of age, do not personally know anyone who has died from C-19. A virus so deadly we need a test to find out if we have it or not.



My question is, what of the future of Trinity and Belle Vue. How many deaths are the club willing to accept in future years from complications or directly from, lets say, influenza. A condition that leads to the death of thousands every year, vaccine or no vaccine.



Pop Tart on these boards told us a few months ago that he was, to paraphrase, willing to give up a foreign holiday if If it saved just one life. I put it to him that watching and playing rugby has no doubt resulted in many deaths (see above) over the years. He did not respond to that.

I see he still supports the game being played.



So, what of the future given most on here appear to support the draconian measure currently being taken.



If I support these measures, which I do not, but if I did I would say that we should never, ever, re-open our stadiums for fear of catching something or other or risking a players death or that player becoming paralyzed, etc.



C-19 may come and go but death from influenza will not go away nor will other the complications that afflict us whenever we attend rugby matches along with thousands of our fellow human beings.



=#FF4040Stop this madness now and lets get back to normal, Lets get back to watching rugby without fear as our forefathers did. NOT the crazy “new normal” they(???) have attempted and in most cases, succeeded, to brain wash us with.



But back to the question re Belle Vue. If, let us say, we needed 5,000 attending to break even and we can now sumize that will never be allowed nor should it so long as inflenza, let alone Covid-19 is lurking in the air.What of the future of Wakefield Trinity? And rugby league.



"weak" enough for you ? Or do you just want to nit pick.

Where did I say I read David Icke ????

Have I not quoted on this and past threads doctors, nurses and scientists ??? Do you actually read these threads fully or are you just someone with a knee jerk reaction to someone who disagrees with you.

As for "take my judgement from them not a rugby league forum" then why are you here. You have read the title of the discussion "What now for fans watching? Covid chat."

Maybe you should stick to Big Daves foot type of threads.

By the way, I love your terminology..."ERROR in caution" Just about sums it up doesn't it ?

can only be thankful that your in no position of authority

I think you need to check your figures the death rate in USA is over 3% of those infected your 99.7% of people not knowing they have had it is absolute rubbish

Simplistic come back, you must have spent hours over that.

Now then genius, where have I mentioned David Icke? or was that just wishful thinking on your part.

You should also check the numbers in Pinderfields Miro. Went from 6 to 25 in 4 days.

Those people aren't made up. They are real people. Someone's parent or child, brother or sister, that needs serious medical help. Some may not come out.



But yer, watching rugby live is the important thing.

The death figures in the USA have recently been drasticly revised, as they have in this country. Please provide a link to back up your figure of 3%.

Go on then, nit pick over the 99.7 % figure but bear in mind the words of Chris Whitty speakiing while standing beside Boris at a Downing Street press conference. I have the video too.



=#404080"Look.

Most people, well, a significant portion will not get this virus at all at any point in the epidemic which is going on for a long period of time. Of those who do, some will get the virus without even knowing it.



The will have the virus with no symptoms at all....asymptomatic carriage and we know that happens.

Of those who get the symptoms, the great majority, probably 80% will have a mild or moderate disease. Might be bad enough for them to have to go to bed for a few days, not bad enough for them to to have to go to a doctor.

An unfortunate minority will have to go to hospital and the a minority of those will up having to go to severe and critical care and some of those will sadly die.

But that's a minority...it's 1% or possibly even less than 1% and even in the highest risk groups this is significantly less than 20% i.e. even the great majority of people even the very highest groups if they catch this virus will not die."



In a nutshell, this was Chris Whitty telling us, in so many words that the lockdown was entirely unnecessary.

but you don't give a toss about them you've made that clear

How do I check these figures ? What exactly are their symptoms. Like the symptoms desceibed by Chris Whitty above? Symptons different to the flu, what?



"Some may not come out ?????? Well, let me know will you.



And quit the jibes about live rugby, your better than that. You know it's not just about that. Grow up.

I hope it isn't 1% , 1% of our population is 660,000

Where have I said I don't give a toss? Is that when I was quoting David Icke....Oh, hang on a minute..



Look Snowie, in this context.

When I was 7 years old my sister, 8, was hit by a car, she died. My parents didn't stop me playing out, ever, Crap happens, we deal with it, just as my parents did. Does that mean they didn't give a toss?

(Yeah go on, I've set myself up there havn't I? cue for a cheap shot)

No, 1% in the high risk group, not 1% of the population of the UK.

6.8 million confirmed cases and 200000 deaths I will leave the maths to you its all confirmed open source not sure where your figures come from and the deaths are between 40 and 50% of those requiring an ICU again you do the maths to see the impact on health service top end work.



I will give you the confirmed figures for the UK later if you require them.

Your figues are from where? Please give me a link.

The "figures" I quoted come from Christopher John MacRae Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci Chief Medical Adviser to the UK Government, Chief Scientific Adviser (CSA) at the Department of Health and Social Care and Head of the National Institute for Health Research (NIHR)..

He's your go to man, Will he do?

Quote Miro="Miro"Your figues are from where? Please give me a link. The "figures" I quoted come from Christopher John MacRae Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci Chief Medical Adviser to the UK Government, Chief Scientific Adviser (CSA) at the Department of Health and Social Care and Head of the National Institute for Health Research (NIHR).. He's your go to man, Will he do?'" Here's the link to the world positive tests carried out and death rates etc. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6 You can look at all the countries individually and it is constantly updated with test results and deaths all the trends are there for you to see. This is facts the world death rate is around 3% These are from John Hopkins University world renown will they do?

Quote Miro="Miro"Your figues are from where? Please give me a link. The "figures" I quoted come from Christopher John MacRae Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci Chief Medical Adviser to the UK Government, Chief Scientific Adviser (CSA) at the Department of Health and Social Care and Head of the National Institute for Health Research (NIHR).. He's your go to man, Will he do?'" Here's the link to the world positive tests carried out and death rates etc. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6 You can look at all the countries individually and it is constantly updated with test results and deaths all the trends are there for you to see. This is facts the world death rate is around 3% These are from John Hopkins University world renown will they do?

I never said you was quoting David Icke I said hes one of the cranks out there spreading his misinformation this is a pandemic not an accident, while its tragic you lost your sister I too had encounters that was close to losing my life twice and I wasn't wrapped up in cotton wool either,

In the spate of 9 months there is close to million people in the world lost their lives and that is while counties have tried to control it we would never now how bad it would of been as said by boris had we just let it rip.



We are never going to agree as its clear we have totally different opinions and I doubt either one of us would change them so like I've said before stay safe and do what you want to do the world will catch up at some time

Sorry Snowie, but that remark was over the top, and shows just how obsessed with C-19 some people have become about death rates, and I may be giving away my identity with the following.1978, my first wife eight months pregnant with our second son, on her way to anti natal clinic, knocked down on a crossing, by a 17 year in a bakery van, both died the following day. As I’ve said before, thousands die every day including loved ones, but we all have to live a normal life outside this Covid bubble,, otherwise whats the point of living.

Massive respect for sharing that on here and not that'll mean much from me so many years on but I'm sorry you had to go through any of that.

Ok, you typed this "David Icke for instance gets his crap on the internet you read it and your bought,"

Well, that kind of infers I quote Mr Icke but your right, you didn't directly say I quote David Icke but rather indirectly.



I must look this Icke fella up. Make my own mid up about him.

Quote REDWHITEANDBLUE="REDWHITEANDBLUE"Here's the link to the world positive tests carried out and death rates etc. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6 You can look at all the countries individually and it is constantly updated with test results and deaths all the trends are there for you to see. This is facts the world death rate is around 3% These are from John Hopkins University world renown will they do?'" You mean the John Hopkins University funded by The Bill and Melissa Gates foundation ? The same Bill Gates who is set to make a fortune from his c-19 vaccines ? The same Bill Gates behind agenda 201 ? Even the BBC Tell you what, get some figures from an organization NOT funded by Billy Gates. I tell you now, you'll find that quite difficult. Sue Desmond-Hellmann Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD quote from her speech "It’s also great to be here as CEO of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation." You know what they say "follow the money" https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Media-C ... University So RW&B nice sidestep, but what of this guys claims as quoted. Christopher John MacRae Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci Chief Medical Adviser to the UK Government, Chief Scientific Adviser (CSA) at the Department of Health and Social Care and Head of the National Institute for Health Research (NIHR)..

Quote REDWHITEANDBLUE="REDWHITEANDBLUE"Here's the link to the world positive tests carried out and death rates etc. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6 You can look at all the countries individually and it is constantly updated with test results and deaths all the trends are there for you to see. This is facts the world death rate is around 3% These are from John Hopkins University world renown will they do?'" You mean the John Hopkins University funded by The Bill and Melissa Gates foundation ? The same Bill Gates who is set to make a fortune from his c-19 vaccines ? The same Bill Gates behind agenda 201 ? Even the BBC Tell you what, get some figures from an organization NOT funded by Billy Gates. I tell you now, you'll find that quite difficult. Sue Desmond-Hellmann Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD quote from her speech "It’s also great to be here as CEO of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation." You know what they say "follow the money" https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Media-C ... University So RW&B nice sidestep, but what of this guys claims as quoted. Christopher John MacRae Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci Chief Medical Adviser to the UK Government, Chief Scientific Adviser (CSA) at the Department of Health and Social Care and Head of the National Institute for Health Research (NIHR)..

Sorry to hear about your family. No, before anyone says, I'm not here to garner support, genuinely feel for you.

Take care.

Quote Miro="Miro"You mean the John Hopkins University funded by The Bill and Melissa Gates foundation ? The same Bill Gates who is set to make a fortune from his c-19 vaccines ? The same Bill Gates behind agenda 201 ? Even the BBC Tell you what, get some figures from an organization NOT funded by Billy Gates. I tell you now, you'll find that quite difficult. Sue Desmond-Hellmann Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD quote from her speech "It’s also great to be here as CEO of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation." You know what they say "follow the money" https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Media-C ... University So RW&B nice sidestep, but what of this guys claims as quoted. Christopher John MacRae Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci Chief Medical Adviser to the UK Government, Chief Scientific Adviser (CSA) at the Department of Health and Social Care and Head of the National Institute for Health Research (NIHR)..'" You might want to try this link below then as well you can see all the references from each country around the world and where the figures are from you may not trust John Hopkins but the figures are based on what has been collected i.e facts. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#news Oh and don't give me the high and mighty I know better than you over Bill Gates, there is more than Just Chris Whitty in this world. What's your point with Bill Gates?

Quote Miro="Miro"You mean the John Hopkins University funded by The Bill and Melissa Gates foundation ? The same Bill Gates who is set to make a fortune from his c-19 vaccines ? The same Bill Gates behind agenda 201 ? Even the BBC Tell you what, get some figures from an organization NOT funded by Billy Gates. I tell you now, you'll find that quite difficult. Sue Desmond-Hellmann Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD quote from her speech "It’s also great to be here as CEO of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation." You know what they say "follow the money" https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Media-C ... University So RW&B nice sidestep, but what of this guys claims as quoted. Christopher John MacRae Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci Chief Medical Adviser to the UK Government, Chief Scientific Adviser (CSA) at the Department of Health and Social Care and Head of the National Institute for Health Research (NIHR)..'" You might want to try this link below then as well you can see all the references from each country around the world and where the figures are from you may not trust John Hopkins but the figures are based on what has been collected i.e facts. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#news Oh and don't give me the high and mighty I know better than you over Bill Gates, there is more than Just Chris Whitty in this world. What's your point with Bill Gates?

Quote REDWHITEANDBLUE="REDWHITEANDBLUE"You might want to try this link below then as well you can see all the references from each country around the world and where the figures are from you may not trust John Hopkins but the figures are based on what has been collected i.e facts. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#news Oh and don't give me the high and mighty I know better than you over Bill Gates, there is more than Just Chris Whitty in this world. What's your point with Bill Gates?'" Another nice sidestep RW&B. Yes, lets ignore the words of the UK chief medical advisor and one of the leading lights behind this "pandemic" but hey ho. So,lets look at worldmeters. So the UK covid death figures percent of population...06% 99.94% still alive, 41,825 dead based on a population of almost 68,000,000 No new deaths reported. 22,390,038 million tests. Not far out was I? Funnily enough I could not get any flu figures on worldmeters However FLU In the UK 50,000 died due to the severe flu outbreak 2017 / 2018 Nick Stripe, head of health analysis and life events at the Office of National statistics (ONS), said: 'It is likely that last winter's (201icon_cool.gif increase was due to the predominant strain of flu, the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine and below-average winter temperatures.' The figures showed that excess winter mortality in 2017 to 2018 significantly increased in just one year in all English regions and Wales, with Wales showing the highest figures.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... break.html WOW!!! I mean, who knew??? Obviously those who died and my sympathy to the families of course. World wide 650,000 people die yearly of regular influenza IT'S THE FLU...

Quote REDWHITEANDBLUE="REDWHITEANDBLUE"You might want to try this link below then as well you can see all the references from each country around the world and where the figures are from you may not trust John Hopkins but the figures are based on what has been collected i.e facts. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#news Oh and don't give me the high and mighty I know better than you over Bill Gates, there is more than Just Chris Whitty in this world. What's your point with Bill Gates?'" Another nice sidestep RW&B. Yes, lets ignore the words of the UK chief medical advisor and one of the leading lights behind this "pandemic" but hey ho. So,lets look at worldmeters. So the UK covid death figures percent of population...06% 99.94% still alive, 41,825 dead based on a population of almost 68,000,000 No new deaths reported. 22,390,038 million tests. Not far out was I? Funnily enough I could not get any flu figures on worldmeters However FLU In the UK 50,000 died due to the severe flu outbreak 2017 / 2018 Nick Stripe, head of health analysis and life events at the Office of National statistics (ONS), said: 'It is likely that last winter's (201icon_cool.gif increase was due to the predominant strain of flu, the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine and below-average winter temperatures.' The figures showed that excess winter mortality in 2017 to 2018 significantly increased in just one year in all English regions and Wales, with Wales showing the highest figures.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... break.html WOW!!! I mean, who knew??? Obviously those who died and my sympathy to the families of course. World wide 650,000 people die yearly of regular influenza IT'S THE FLU...

again you gone through a tragic situation that no one should of been through and my heart goes out to you, without getting into a argument there's difference between accidents and this pandemic which if we hadn't take some control in isolating it could of been far worse, no one can dispute that the infection rate is increasing mainly because of the lifting.



I'm sorry if your finding my remark was over the top also you too Miro but at least have some respect for the ones that have serious unlined problems when passing out death figures saying that its a acceptable rate, we all go at some time at least allow them their time

Quote Miro="Miro"Another nice sidestep RW&B. Yes, lets ignore the words of the UK chief medical advisor and one of the leading lights behind this "pandemic" but hey ho. So,lets look at worldmeters. So the UK covid death figures percent of population...06% 99.94% still alive, 41,825 dead based on a population of almost 68,000,000 No new deaths reported. 22,390,038 million tests. Not far out was I? Funnily enough I could not get any flu figures on worldmeters However FLU In the UK 50,000 died due to the severe flu outbreak 2017 / 2018 Nick Stripe, head of health analysis and life events at the Office of National statistics (ONS), said: 'It is likely that last winter's (201icon_cool.gif increase was due to the predominant strain of flu, the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine and below-average winter temperatures.' The figures showed that excess winter mortality in 2017 to 2018 significantly increased in just one year in all English regions and Wales, with Wales showing the highest figures.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... break.html WOW!!! I mean, who knew??? Obviously those who died and my sympathy to the families of course. World wide 650,000 people die yearly of regular influenza IT'S THE FLU...'" With the amount of research you've done, I reckon you know those people didn't die solely of the flu.

Quote Miro="Miro"Another nice sidestep RW&B. Yes, lets ignore the words of the UK chief medical advisor and one of the leading lights behind this "pandemic" but hey ho. So,lets look at worldmeters. So the UK covid death figures percent of population...06% 99.94% still alive, 41,825 dead based on a population of almost 68,000,000 No new deaths reported. 22,390,038 million tests. Not far out was I? Funnily enough I could not get any flu figures on worldmeters However FLU In the UK 50,000 died due to the severe flu outbreak 2017 / 2018 Nick Stripe, head of health analysis and life events at the Office of National statistics (ONS), said: 'It is likely that last winter's (201icon_cool.gif increase was due to the predominant strain of flu, the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine and below-average winter temperatures.' The figures showed that excess winter mortality in 2017 to 2018 significantly increased in just one year in all English regions and Wales, with Wales showing the highest figures.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... break.html WOW!!! I mean, who knew??? Obviously those who died and my sympathy to the families of course. World wide 650,000 people die yearly of regular influenza IT'S THE FLU...'" With the amount of research you've done, I reckon you know those people didn't die solely of the flu.